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Post by Whyte Phoenix on Jan 6, 2006 19:44:24 GMT -5
Read this first : www.furisdead.com/feat/ChineseFurFarms/Look at this, it's disgusting. I've heard about this sort of cruelty before, but I've never seen a video of it. Nasty. This is really worth knowing more about. The video that you can watch at the site is EXTREMELY HORRIBLE, containing violence, gore, and all things evil.
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Post by Ravenmaster on Jan 6, 2006 21:08:36 GMT -5
....ew T.T Those poor animals! Raven likes Faux fur better. it feels really nice.
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Post by Mullet Fish on Jan 6, 2006 21:10:37 GMT -5
Oh crap! Not PETA! I hate them. They're too funny. And irritating. I mean, quite frankly, they could process rat intestines and mould them into drumsticks at KFC and I honestly wouldn't care if I didn't know. Once they did a protest outside a KFC near my old school. They handed out these flyers. I cried I laughed so hard. I know, I know, aren't I cruel? It was just the way they said it. They were acting like chickens were human beings. How did they put it? Oh it was a while ago. It was like, "Chickens are social creatures that, if left alone, will create social hierarchies..." It was too funny. All the girls were like, "Oh my Goooood! Poor chickens!" Anyway, I guess I care about them being killed for fur coats more than I care about cows getting slaughtered, because I don't really own anything with fur. But still, do we really need to know this? Here it is! www.peta.org/feat/moorefield/That's quite the generalization they're making there. I mean, just because some morons have too much time on their hands doesn't mean everyone else in the industry does. I wonder how many slaughterhouse workers are offended by PETA each month.
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Post by kilisa09 on Jan 7, 2006 1:08:37 GMT -5
THAT'S SO WRONG!! Killing animals for sport, fun AND/OR fur is $&^%$#@%()_(*(* WRONG!!!!! It's so dang wrong! I hatehatehate, LOATHE people like that....Unless they're really nice, like my social studies teacher. But it's not good! It's wrong, doing that! I mean, if you kill something that's edible, EAT IT!!! Unless it's rabid or something like that. I mean, if there's a raging rabid evil bear attacking you, it'd be a good thing to kill, not be like PETA and say, "Oh, hi, Mr. Bear! How's your rabies today?" Dad says the a lot of PETA members just want the power the organization offers them, but there are good, well-meaning and good-intentioned people in there, I'm sure. But still, if you're protecting yourself or someone else or something, then you might wanna kill the animal. Or if they're in absolute pain and misery...But it's sad to do it. KILLING ANIMALS FOR SPORT OR FUR IS FREAKIN' WRONG!!!! Ok? Faux fur is great. I love it. Leather is ok, because it's made from cows and we eat cows, too, so it's not a waste.
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Post by kilisa09 on Jan 7, 2006 1:09:39 GMT -5
Woo. That's a lot. I am one of those animal freaks, I must warn you. But I'm not a vegetarian.^^ Lettuce is stinkin' gross...Like my bad speech? ^^
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Post by Whyte Phoenix on Jan 7, 2006 2:27:44 GMT -5
I'm an animal freak as well.... these are one of the few things that actually hurts for me to see.
Well, honestly, if they're going to kill them anyway, they should do that first, and then do whatever they want to them. I don't believe that skinning an animal alive will make anything difference than skinning them dead. I mean, wouldn't the animal not even struggle while you're skinning it ? Doesn't that make your job easier ?
Strict meat-consumer. I never eat KFC, McDonalds, or most fast foods though (After this and 'Supersize-Me'). *shiver shiver*
Well, if the PETA are constantly annoying the slaughterhouses, why don't they just like... get a better way of killing them then ? I mean, couldn't one just give a good, solid blow to the back of the skull or something just to knock/kill the animal before doing whatever needs to be done with it ? I don't think we eat chicken heads/necks.
Those chicken factory workers looked like they were enjoying themselves, partying, more like it. Someone should like... give them a piece of their own medicine(sp?) or something. It would be really ironic if they were reborn as chickens.
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Post by Mullet Fish on Jan 7, 2006 12:04:56 GMT -5
Mmmm. Fast foood. I like fast food, and I've seen Super Size Me and all those movies ment to give us the heebie jeebies and not eat that stuff. I dunno, I'm just not phased by that stuff. Like right after my ex told me something about there being pus and hairs in milk, I had a cold glass of milk. I figure I've been drinking milk all my life, so if there really are hairs and pus and all sorts of other unpleasant stuff in milk, a.) I can't taste it, b.) I've grown so used to the taste it doesn't bother me, c.) I can't see it, and d.) they aren't going to do me any harm, so what's the point of getting upset about it? It won't accomplish anything.
But honestly, I really hate peta. I think they're a bunch of self-righteous pricks, desperate for attention. I swear, all I think about when I think peta member is that chick on the episode of Family Guy, who death wants to date, and then she's like, "I love animals, they're like little people." And then Death is like, "You ever been on the Internet? They have some pretty crazy stuff on that Internet," and she's like, "Yeah, I bought this purse on the internet, because the company doesn't test on animals." And then she's like, "You know, war is a creation of man," and Death is like, "What the hell are you talking about? Animals fight all the time," and she's like, "Not with nuclear arms. You can't hug your children with nuclear arms." And then Death touches her, thus killing her. Heh. That's a good episode.
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Post by InsanexBandit on Jan 7, 2006 15:49:38 GMT -5
Blargh. Eeeeeh. Mlargh! It looked so...ewww. Plus, I'm pretty sure killing them before skinning them is bad. Well if you shoot them or something. Because then the blood gets all over the fur. Blaaaaaaaaah that video just looked so nasty. The animal had practically half it's fur off and it was squirming around. Blaaaaaaaaargh.
Hehe. That episode was good. When I think of Peta I think of that one south park. Where all this one peta dude pours animal blood on P-Diddy's fur coats and he kills all of them. Hehe.
BUT STILL. That was nasty. In the video. I only watched the first part because I got all sad after they were grabbing the animals and pounding them on the floor and stomping on thier faces.
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Post by Mullet Fish on Jan 7, 2006 19:54:48 GMT -5
But I'm pretty sure they're generalizing again. They're taking a situation that is probably quite localized, and attempting to pin it to the rest of the industry. It's irritating. Generalization is a logical fallacy.
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Post by raptor-chick on Jan 7, 2006 22:43:49 GMT -5
I am alright with hunting and fur and all that. What I hate is when people go trophy hunting or hunt endangered animals. I don't mind fur if it is from farmed animals. What makes me angry is, again, when it is from endangered animals. I hate the fact that people waste perfectly good meat when they go trophy hunting! Use all of the animal! The PETA people really piss me off. They are like, "Milk causes impotency, don't drink it!", "Eating meat is unnatural!", "Animals skinned for fur are always tortured!" They aren't! Those videos are isolated incidents. Obviously, those people are seriously disturbed and do it because they like causing pain. It really wouldn't be a good idea to try and remove the skin from an animal that is squirming and biting and clawing. After seeing Super Size Me, I don't eat Mcdonalds, Wendy's, A&W, Burger King... I do eat KFC, because it is not processed; it is recognizable food. I didn't actually eat much fast food before then because I didn't like the way it made me feel. KFC is only a treat for us. Personally, I don't beleive that all KFC chickens are tortured to death. Why do you think hunters try to kill quickly and cleanly? When an animal is panicked, all the chemicals that rush into its veins make the meat taste bad. I had deer meat once that wasn't from a fast kill and it tasted funky. Why would milk have hairs and pus in it? If a cow had pus in the milk, then the cow would be sick and it probably wouldn't be a good idea to sell the milk. Besides, the milk is pasturized and strained and all that. I'm sure that any hairs would be removed. Did you know, that once I saw some ladies protesting fur outside the Farmer's Market and guess what? Most of them had leather shoes and purses. Can you say, "hypocrite"? When I was little, I saw my dad killing some of our chickens that were too old to lay eggs. They were running around and flapping because of the nerves and one ran into my sister and knocked her over. It was actually quite funny. Then we ate them after. I used to watch my oma butcher them after and I would play with the feet, y'know, walking them along the counter pretending they were dinosaur feet. Yeah. I am a disturbed child. I saw many interesting things. It would take a very long time to explain it all.
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Post by Whyte Phoenix on Jan 8, 2006 2:13:06 GMT -5
My Teletoon has been de-sploded. No more Family Guy, Futurama and stuff for me. =(
I agree with you in the endangered species thing, Raptor... I really hate it when people waste food and other resources too. I get really mad when one of my classmates dumps her lunch, a perfectly fine one (sandwich, lettuce and ham or something) into the garbage and then starts BEGGING and FREELOADING off of the rest of the girls right afterwards. She doesn't take many hints, and it really seems like she's got no sense of honor as well ; when you reject her plead for food, she just keeps going and going, puppy-dog eyes, hands together sign, hugging, calling you her best friend crap. I told her a couple of times to just eat the lunch she was given instead of taking our's, but she just went away to another person. >:-(
Overly animal loving is just... uh... looked down upon or made fun of by most people. I don't always buy 'NOT MADE WITH (Blah blah blah)', it's just overreacting. As for the milk thing, I've drunk it everyday for the first 10 years of my life, and it hasn't killed me yet, so ... what the heck, it isn't going to do anything, so why worry and make a huge fuss about it? Nowadays, I mostly drink soymilk, not cow-cow milk. It's not for the hair and pus problem, it's just that I don't like the smell of milk, and what it does to my breath afterwards. *ghastly odour here*
Farmed fur animals are usually kept well fed, but otherwise badly cared for. The fur needs to be sleek and shiny for selling, you know. They should like... sell the meat to 'Exotic Foods' Restraunts, dog food factories or something. At least you aren't just dumping it somewhere.
My Dad's a cook, so we hardly ever go out for premade food. We just buy meat, the kind that the butcher cuts up from the big piece right there and now and sticks it in a baggie for us to take home, and get veggies (spices, if we run out, too). McDonalds/KFC/Pizza and all that stuff if for when we're out of ideas on what to make, and when we're too busy or something.
Chicken feet do look like dino feet... xD ... I never played with them though. Might've sqished/poked it a couple of times for fun, but my parent's wouldn't let me take them anywhere. PETA shouldn't mess around with whether or not a person should eat meat. That just pushes it, I mean, that's their own personal preferece, and you don't have a right to say that eating meat is bad. What, do you have solid proof that it's bad or something ? If so, bad to the consumer, or the consumed ? Pft.
Toture of the to-be-dead animal is meaningless, and quite frankly, stupid. Is it really worth those $$$ to make an animal suffer like that skinned Racoon-dog ? I mean, sure you're trying to make the most of it's fur to make a profit, but is it necessary to go to such extremes.... ?
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Post by kilisa09 on Jan 10, 2006 17:15:23 GMT -5
What I think is, why kill an animal just for fur? It's a waste of life, unless you're in Alaska without any clothes. Then go ahead, I suppose...But hunting endangered animals for any reasong is plain wrong. Anything has a right to live, unless it's about to slaughter you...
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Post by InsanexBandit on Jan 10, 2006 19:55:04 GMT -5
People want fur cuz it's fancy and They'll sip their wine going "Yes" "Hmm" "Quite" "Indeed" .
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Post by Mullet Fish on Jan 14, 2006 14:06:34 GMT -5
I don't think so. That sounds more like some high class British gentlemen, and it tends to be ladies who wear fur. British gentlemen wear funny sounding clothes, like smock. I don't even know what a smock is, it just sounds like something some rich English chap would wear. "I say chaps, jolly good show. I saw. What what."
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Post by Ravenmaster on Jan 14, 2006 14:20:44 GMT -5
*Shakes head* Brad, Brad, Brad. A smock is something that you put over your clothes to paint in. Or my cousin has her own hair styling business and she wears a black smock all the time to keep hair off of her.
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