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Post by InsanexBandit on Mar 1, 2006 21:11:18 GMT -5
Nah uh.
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Post by Ravenmaster on Mar 1, 2006 21:26:05 GMT -5
yuh-huh, is so.
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Post by raptor-chick on Mar 2, 2006 1:17:25 GMT -5
Enough children! *pulls glasses down on nose like an angry teacher and glares* Yeeheeheee! Agree to disagree, perhaps? I have a lightening rod and a pack of hungry balony-eating dogs! I be not afraid! Yeeeah... Not afraid... Yep... It will frighten you, my not afraid-ness...*whimper*
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Post by Ravenmaster on Mar 2, 2006 8:27:44 GMT -5
-.- I DON'T EVER AGREE TO DISAGREE!!! *tackles Bandit*
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Post by InsanexBandit on Mar 3, 2006 17:28:34 GMT -5
OMgaws t3h agony! My friend says that all the time. It's really annoying. "Let's agree to disagree."
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Post by raptor-chick on Mar 3, 2006 22:03:57 GMT -5
EEK! *runs from Insane and Raven*
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Post by kilisa09 on Mar 5, 2006 19:48:30 GMT -5
Help.
You guys don't understand. No matter what stage the baby's in, it's still murder. Plain and simple. Don't you realize that? Frankly, everything has a right to live, even if it's a cow and it's gonna get turned into steak. At least it's fulfilling it's purpose in life. Most people don't understand about things like this until someone very close to them is torn away. You understand that? Life is precious. More precious than almost anything else. Abortion is evil. IfI got raped and pregnant, I'd still have the baby. Plain and simple. I'd probably put it up for adoption if I was still in school, but at least it'd live.
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Post by Ravenmaster on Mar 5, 2006 20:17:19 GMT -5
....I understand! *shakes Insane* I was just telling him that!!
*nods* And even if you put it up for adoption, you could still visit the baby and know how he/she is doing. The country can't keep a mother or a father away from there baby unless the parent(s) are the problem. Not anymore anyway. 20 years ago if you agreed to adoption you'd be lucky to get a day with your baby before it was just taken from you and put up for adoption. Even in prisons if you're pregnant and in prison they let you keep the baby for 24 hours and then either put it up for adoption or give it to family. They cannot keep parents away from their children unless it is required by the state that the baby cannot see that parent.
But yes. Abortion= murder. the cells that grow still have the chance to become a living breathing baby.
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Post by kilisa09 on Mar 7, 2006 11:53:42 GMT -5
Yes, yes. *nods furiously* I like babies. They're so cute and cuddly. ^^ I'm babysitting my sick baby brother right now...He threw up yesterday.
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Post by InsanexBandit on Mar 7, 2006 17:44:02 GMT -5
...I'm not stupid. I do understand. It's not a baby until a certain stage. THEN it becomes murder. You don't get charged with murder for killing a cow. Murder is a serious charge for killing a human being. Not a embryo or a zygote. It's the woman's body. If she is not ready nor wants the baby, why wouldn't she get rid of the problem earlier before it gets too serious?
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Post by Ravenmaster on Mar 7, 2006 18:08:34 GMT -5
....because you can only get an abortion 2 to 5 months in pregnancy!! And you don't get charged with murder for killing a cow because...its a cow. Put here on this earth to serve humans...or something like that. If she's not ready or wants the baby, adoption!!! Besides, abortion can sometimes get people into trouble and for women it causes serious physical and mental problems. After an abortion, many women cannot have a child when they are ready. Or after an abortion if they are able to have a baby the baby might have complications when it is born. Also, there are a lot of riff-raff abortionists out there.
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Post by kilisa09 on Mar 7, 2006 19:27:05 GMT -5
Yes, yes. What Raven said.
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Post by InsanexBandit on Mar 7, 2006 21:08:06 GMT -5
Exactly how often do those problems happen?
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Post by Ravenmaster on Mar 7, 2006 21:40:55 GMT -5
A lot.
Despite the use of local anesthesia, a full 97% of women having abortions reported experiencing pain during the procedure, [81] which more than a third described as "intense," [82] "severe" or "very severe." [83] Compared to other pains, researchers have rated the pain from abortion as more painful than a bone fracture, about the same as cancer pain, though not as painful as an amputation. [84] Studies also reveal that younger women tend to find abortion more painful than do older adults, [85] and that patients typically found abortion more painful than their doctors or counselors expected. [86] The use of more powerful general anesthetics can reduce the pain, but significantly increases the risk of cervical injury or uterine perforation. [87]
Complications such as these are common, as are bleeding, hemorrhage,[88] laceration of the cervix, [89] menstrual disturbance, [90] inflammation of the reproductive organs, [91] bladder or bowel perforation, [92] and serious infection. [93]
Even more harmful long term physical complications from abortion may surface later. For example, overzealous currettage can damage the lining of the uterus and lead to permanent infertility. [94] Overall, women who have abortions face an increased risk of ectopic (tubal) pregnancy [95] and a more than doubled risk of future sterility. [96] Perhaps most important of all, the risk of these sorts of complications, along with risks of future miscarriage, increase with each subsequent abortion. [97] The particular type and severity of complications depend a great deal on the experience of the abortionist and the particular abortion method used. Given that most abortions are performed at abortion clinics rather than by a woman’s regular ob-gyn, [98] the doctor performing the abortion is likely to be a stranger of whose skill and experience a woman knows very little. [99] Such things as an inadequate gynecologic examination prior to the operation, the carelessness of the abortionist, or the retention of fetal and placental tissue can all bring on complications. These kinds of complications can usually be treated and generally subside (though not always), [100] but few women ever return to the clinics for crucial post-operative examinations. [101]
There is strong evidence that abortion increases the risk of breast cancer. A study of more than 1,800 women appearing in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute in 1994 found that overall, women having abortions increased their risk of getting breast cancer before age 45 by 50%. For women under 18 with no previous pregnancies, having an abortion after the 8th week increased the risk of breast cancer 800%. Women with a family history of breast cancer fared even worse. All 12 women participating in the study who had abortions before 18 and had a family history of breast cancer themselves got cancer before age 45. [102]
Of course, death of the mother is the most serious of all complications. Over 200 women have died from legal abortions since 1973. [103] The risk of death increases according to the duration of pregnancy [104] and the complexity of the abortion technique employed. [105]
That my friend, is what the internet tells us and I have heard most of those things before. Many many many women die of breast cancer every year and despite what you may think 200 LEGAL deaths from abortion have occurred since the seventies is a pretty high number.
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Post by InsanexBandit on Mar 7, 2006 22:24:49 GMT -5
Well duh it's going to hurt a lot. Most likely, a woman has looked at all those "statistics", decided wether or not she's going to have an abortion, and then goes on with life. It's the womans choice. Some of that information is just like having a baby. There's intense pain and sometimes the mother dies after giving birth. Does that mean that she shouldn't get pregnant just because there's risks (just like with everything else)?
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